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#1 2017-03-17 23:39:31

Phaonia73
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Tipuloidea or something else?

Hello forum, I am hoping that someone can help me figure out what type of insect is in the attached photo. I think that it is a cranefly of sorts. A family would be nice.

I've attached a photo of the external genitals incase a species can be named.

Thank You for helping.


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#2 2017-03-17 23:43:12

Phaonia73
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Re: Tipuloidea or something else?

I've decided to search Google and I came across an entry at diptera.info that looks similar. someone said it was a Sciaridae. Is the species in my photo a Sciaridae? maybe I can get to a genus?

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#3 2017-03-18 14:58:22

Tony Irwin
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Re: Tipuloidea or something else?

Yes, it is Sciaridae - a male, which is good, as many of the species can only be identified using male genitalia.
There is an out-of date Royal Entomological Society handbook by Freeman (1983), which can be obtained directly from the RES for £2 plus postage. Although there are many species it does not cover, it does provide a good introduction to the family, and you should be able to get your specimen to genus using it.

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#4 2017-03-18 15:41:57

Phaonia73
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Re: Tipuloidea or something else?

Excelent info Sir Tony. Thank You very much. I've seen your posts at different places and I save your id notes to a text file. I owe you many Thanks for your knowledge. I'll be happy to pay for an RES manual. I like RES and I have alot of outdated material from RES. Good stuff. Thank you for confirming Sciaridae.

I hope that you have a Wonderful Day.

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#5 2017-03-18 19:12:39

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Re: Tipuloidea or something else?

It looks like a female Cecidomyiidae: Micromyinae to me.

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#6 2017-03-18 21:08:51

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Re: Tipuloidea or something else?

Apologies for my error - I think Michael is right  - it does look like a cecidomyiid. Check for circlets of large bristles on the antennal segments, and lack of spurs on the tibiae. Although it has got a fat abdomen, I don't recall ever having seen a female cecid with such large cerci, so I'm puzzled as to gender.
If you want to put a name to this fly, you could try Jaschhof, M. & Jaschhof, C., 2009, The Wood Midges (Diptera: Cecidomyiidae: Lestremiinae) of Fennoscandia and Denmark. (but a bit pricy at E120!)

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#7 2017-03-18 22:28:12

Phaonia73
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Re: Tipuloidea or something else?

@MJames Thank You for adding your opinion. I appreciate it. I will look for a genus.

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#8 2017-03-18 22:36:32

Phaonia73
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Re: Tipuloidea or something else?

@TonyIrwin Thanks for helping. I always read your entries at diptera.info and make notes.

the error is mine for suggesting Sciaridae. I am unfamiliar with Sciaroidea altogether. I was thinking it is a male for the same reason. I'm disappointed about it because females may not be documented in this superfamily. I have some tough work to do ahead.

funny story: after collecting this female (which I thought is a male), I noticed the male (which I thought is the female) dangling from a spider web alive. I needed a collection jar for the other insect, so I left the area to get a jar. Upon returning to the web, the insect was gone. I looked up just in time to see a Steatoda bipunctata running off with my specimen. I now regret not moving faster because I really need the male here. c'est la vie.

Thank You so very much for helping Tony. I truy appreciate it.

I may have to buy a few of those Fennoscandia and Denmark books. Meantime, I'll post some more photos for you to look at. I am going to rest today as I am very tired. I will look for a genus starting tomorrow...

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#9 2017-03-18 23:05:16

Phaonia73
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Re: Tipuloidea or something else?

added some more photos.

the insect is hairy in many places. I do see circlets of large bristles on the antennal segments. The abdomen has patches of many hairs. I do not see spurs on the tibiae.


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