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#1 2017-04-25 18:40:37

sabina
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More tries at identification. Help much appreciated.

Walking along a tiny stream and set aside 'wild' area found these. 1. From previous photos you've all helped with I think this is a Scathophagidae but which one? 2. Unknown and 3. Possible cranefly? Don't think it is a gnat because wings look longer than body. 4. So minute I thought it was a bit of feather.  Is there somewhere on Forum for beginners to help with ID?


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#2 2017-04-25 19:00:05

Tony Irwin
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Re: More tries at identification. Help much appreciated.

First photo is Scathophaga stercoraria male. Second is Micropezidae, third and fourth Chironomini (Chironomidae) and last two are Cricotopus (Chironomidae).

Last edited by Tony Irwin (2017-04-25 20:04:45)

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#3 2017-04-25 19:51:36

sabina
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Re: More tries at identification. Help much appreciated.

Again Tony many thanks. I have recognized one successfully. May I say you identified these for me on irecord?

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#4 2017-04-25 20:09:54

Tony Irwin
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Re: More tries at identification. Help much appreciated.

Hi Sabina
Note that I've edited my reply - had a "senior moment" forgetting that Calobata is now Calobata, Neria and Cnodacophora, and I can't really decide which with this photo, so best just to record as Micropezidae. Yes, I'll always take responsibility for my mistakes, so you can identify me as the source of names I give you! smile

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#5 2017-04-26 11:25:32

sabina
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Re: More tries at identification. Help much appreciated.

Thank you for the information and I will stay with that.  It is a great help and encouraging to give names to the flies and gradually be introduced to the species.   My very portable Lumix TZ60 enables me to get fairly close and what a revelation to see them on the screen.   Fascinating.

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#6 2017-04-26 22:13:10

Rainieria
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Name: Darwyn Sumner
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Re: More tries at identification. Help much appreciated.

Those Micropezids are hard to do from photographs unless you are lucky enough to get a side shot of a male.
Paul Beuk has been known to have a crack at them on the Diptera.info site. Take a look there for examples - and download my workshop key somewhere on this site I think.

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#7 2017-04-27 15:05:43

sabina
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Re: More tries at identification. Help much appreciated.

I am new to the site and was going to ask about the 'keys' for identification and how to find them. Tried pressing the row along top beginning 'Index' but nothing there. Can anyone explain how to find them? Thanks in advance Sabina

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#8 2017-04-27 22:19:39

Geoff F
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Name: Geoff Foale
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Re: More tries at identification. Help much appreciated.

Once logged in, have a look at the Test Keys section which should appear directly beneath the Identification forum link line.

Select what interests you and download the item. Some can be quite long though and I'm from an era where I struggle with anything like this unless I have a paper copy. So I then spend a lot of time printing out all the data and fixing it into a ring binder.

Also look through the Recording Scheme items.

Some of the old keys were a real struggle for me but fortunately a few kind people are gradually working their way through various areas to produce more user friendly keys. If you search around the internet for identification keys for . . . (insert required name) you can find other items which aren't involved with DF.

For example, Mike Hackston has produced some modern updates to a few old keys and they really work for me.

Last edited by Geoff F (2017-04-28 21:01:50)

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#9 2017-04-27 23:05:40

Tony Irwin
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Name: Tony Irwin
From: Norwich
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Re: More tries at identification. Help much appreciated.

The Test Keys Section is only available to Dipterists' Forum Members. See http://www.dipteristsforum.org.uk/t3-Jo … Forum.html for how to join.

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#10 2017-04-27 23:33:37

sabina
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Re: More tries at identification. Help much appreciated.

I am a member but a very, very new and unskilled one. Looking into this further I think I have a lot of work to do getting familiar visually with the groups before I get into keys which it seems contain very detailed information.  I am trying to run before I can even crawl. Thank you for all the help with information.

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