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#1 2010-03-07 18:55:09

PIERRE MILLE
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Name: Pierre MILLE
From: Herblay in FRANCE (Val d'Oise)
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Hoverfly Microdon

Hello every one,

I am new to this forum and I wondered if the genus had a plumule Microdon ?

Does all this have hoverflies plumule ?

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#2 2010-03-08 17:49:49

JohnShowers
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Re: Hoverfly Microdon

Hi Pierre, I am not quite sure what you are asking but I hope this helps.

Hoverflies of the genus Microdon have long antennae which project forward and have a single arista (a short bristle or hair-like structure on the upper surface close to the end of the antenna).
You can see this well on the diptera-info website at:
http://www.diptera.info/photogallery.php?photo_id=4492

Hoverflies of the genus Volucella have antennae with an arista that is "plumose" - the bristle has a row of fine hairs growing out from each side. You can see this very well on the diptera-info website:
http://www.diptera.info/photogallery.php?photo_id=2526

I hope this helps.
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John

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#3 2010-03-09 14:54:07

PIERRE MILLE
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Re: Hoverfly Microdon

Hi John,

Thank you but I who misspoke you know I still have progress to make in English.
In fact I read an article on the plumule saying this. The plumule is second useful characteristic, it resembles a velvety feather, located on the side of the chest, beneath the base of the wing. The curious chemoreceptor trigger small structure is not well studied, but almost exclusively to Hoverfly. In your opinion is this valid? Does not some hoverflies plumule this?

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#4 2010-03-10 20:08:57

JohnShowers
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Re: Hoverfly Microdon

Hi Pierre
Sorry, I misunderstood your question but I must confess that I was not aware of the plumule as you describe it. I must take a closer look at my specimens! Sorry that I cannot help on this.

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John

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#5 2010-03-16 14:54:36

PIERRE MILLE
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Re: Hoverfly Microdon

Hi John,

It does not matter do not apologize, I discovered the existence of the plume there is little time ! But I was wondering if this kind microdon included plumule ?

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#6 2010-03-16 15:11:18

PIERRE MILLE
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Re: Hoverfly Microdon

Sorry,

I was wrong I mean the genus Microdon, my English is not great !

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#7 2010-03-18 13:29:00

brianh
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Re: Hoverfly Microdon

Whilst I cannot answer the question I can direct the forum to a mention of the "plumule". It appears in the web document at www.syrphys.com/pdf/asters_brochure_60pages_final.pdf
The quote on page 4 second column of the document is " La plumule est une seconde caractéristique utile, elle ressemble à une petite plume veloutée, localisée sur le coté du thorax, sous la base de l’aile. Cette curieuse petite structure chémoréceptrice n’est pas très bien étudiée, mais elle est presque exclusive aux Syrphes."
Perhaps the first author of the document - Martin Speight - can enlighten us?
I must confess that like others I have no idea what this structure is.

Last edited by brianh (2010-03-18 13:39:16)

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#8 2010-03-18 15:05:24

PIERRE MILLE
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Name: Pierre MILLE
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Re: Hoverfly Microdon

Hi Brianh,


Thank you for your answer, in fact to be honest because I found this document that intrigued me.

But I was wondering if some hoverflies escaped this rule and what is the genus Microdon has a plumule ?

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#9 2010-03-19 23:03:01

anymarks
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Name: Neil Marks
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Registered: 2009-08-07
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Re: Hoverfly Microdon

Hello Pierre

The 'plumule' to which you are referring (almost unique in the Diptera) is a feature of the whole family Syrphidae  - they all have them, so they are not used as a diagnostic feature to genus level (as far as I am aware).

Situated on the side of the thorax just under the wing base between the halteres and the head, these small feathery structures probably serve the same function as the eversible structures found in many moths - they are chemo-receptors to detect the phermones emitted by females.

So, if your fly has a plumule then the chances are it will be a hoverfly - but there are other far more obvious diagnostic features for identification

Hope that helps

Regards

Neil

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#10 2010-03-20 21:08:32

PIERRE MILLE
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Name: Pierre MILLE
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Re: Hoverfly Microdon

Hello Neil,

It is exactly that! Thank you for your answer, you're right it Exist other criteria, but I discovered that there recently.

In France there is a saying "someone who seeks the little beast" for someone who complicates the life

I can be complicated life -smile

Best wishes

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